Hope Talks

Living Fearless: Discovering Your Identity & Purpose in Christ with Jamie Winship (Replay)

In this replay episode, we're revisiting one of our favorite conversations with guest Jamie Winship and explore what it means to truly live fearless. 
 
Drawing from his own journey—from a fear-driven identity to one rooted in Christ—Jamie shares how understanding who you are changes everything.
 
Together, we discuss how fear shapes our decisions, how to recognize God’s voice in everyday moments, and why your identity in Christ is greater than your circumstances or achievements. Jamie also offers a simple, practical process for breaking free from lies and walking in truth.
 
If you’ve ever felt stuck, unsure of your purpose, or held back by fear, this conversation will help you take your next step forward in freedom.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
 
Jamie Winship resources
 
Learn more about Jamie Winship: https://www.identityexchange.com/
 
Get Jamie’ book, Living Fearless: Exchanging the Lies of the World for the Liberating Truth of God -- https://tinyurl.com/49v73cn9
 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
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Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
 
Judges 6:12 – “And the angel of the LORD appeared to him [Gideon] and said to him, “The LORD is with you, O mighty man of valor.”
  
Psalm 8:4-5 – “What is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor.”
 
Psalm 139:7-8 – “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.”
 
Psalm 139:13 – “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
 
Habakkuk 2:2 -- Then the LORD replied: “Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it.”
  
Mark 1:17 – “And Jesus said to them, “Follow me, and I will make you become fishers of men.”
 
Mark 9:7 – “Then a cloud appeared and covered them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”
 
John 1:12 – “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God”
 
Romans 4:18 – “Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
 
Romans 5:8 – “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
 
Colossians 2:6 – “So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him” 
Hebrews 11:1, 6 – “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen … And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.”

Hope Means Everything: Celebrating 100 Episodes of Hope Talks

In this special 100th episode of Hope Talks, we pause to celebrate and reflect on the journey so far. We share why we started the podcast, the heart behind the ministry, and what we’ve learned along the way. 
 
Dustin and Haley both share their hope stories about navigating grief, trials, and disappointments – and how God was faithful in every season. Together, we talk about why hope matters, what Scripture says about it, and how to cultivate hope in everyday life. 
 
If you’re feeling discouraged, this episode is a reminder that your story isn’t over and there is real, lasting hope in Christ.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
 
[0:00:33] Milestone Celebration: 100th Hope Talks Episode
[0:01:51] Recalibrating the Mission: Making Everyday Hope Practical
[0:03:20] From Mental Health Crisis to Mental Hope Opportunity
[0:06:45] Equipping Believers to Share Hope Across Generations
[0:10:00] Personal Growth: Stepping into Calling and Sharing Your Story
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Use code HOPETALKS30 to save 30% on the following these resources:
 
Foundations of Care video course: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/store/foundations-of-care 
 
The Care and Counsel Handbook: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
 
Called to Care training event on Saturday, June 13, 2026: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/called-to-care 
 
Resources from Haley Scully
Get a copy of Haley’s book, Land & Sky, here: https://tinyurl.com/29n8u54y 
 
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

When Hurting People Come to Church (with Shaunti Feldhahn)

In this episode, we’re joined by bestselling author and researcher Shaunti Feldhahn to talk about her book, When Hurting People Come to Church. Shaunti shares her hope story of how her faith was refined during her time at Harvard and the role of a supportive Christian community in that season. We also discuss her unexpected journey from Wall Street to ministry – and what happens when you simply say yes to the Lord.
 
We also dive into the growing mental health needs in our churches and how we can care well for others who are hurting and broken. This is an encouraging conversation with practical steps on how the church can help address the mental health crisis in our time.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:02:44] Harvard as a Furnace for Faith
[0:07:29] Bringing Light into Elite Dark Places
[0:15:23] Fired, Humbled, and Launched as an Author
[0:23:50] Mobilizing Laypeople to Tackle the Mental Health Gap
[0:39:25] Why Ordinary Care in the Church Changes the Data
Shaunti Feldhahn Resources
Learn more about Shaunti Feldhahn: https://shaunti.com/ 
 
Get Shaunti’s book, When Hurting People Come to Church: https://shaunti.com/shauntis-books/when-hurting-people-come-to-church/ 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
 
Join us on Saturday, June 13 for our Called to Care training event. See details and sign up here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/called-to-care 
 
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 

What Is the Gospel? The Good News of Salvation Through Jesus Christ

As Good Friday and Easter approach, we step back to talk about the most important message in the Bible – the gospel. What exactly is the “good news” of Jesus Christ, and why does it matter for every one of us? 
 
In this episode, we explore the heart of the Christian faith: that Jesus, the Son of God, lived a perfect life, died for our sins, and rose again so that we could be forgiven, declared righteous in God’s sight, and restored to a relationship with God. We also talk about the deeper problem behind every struggle we face and how the cross addresses our sin, shame, and separation. 
 
Whether you’ve heard the gospel many times or are exploring it for the first time, this conversation points to the hope found in Christ alone.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:00:00] The Gospel: Personal Salvation and Universe-Changing Hope
[0:02:56] Defining the Gospel from 1 Corinthians 15
[0:07:21] What Sin Really Is: Lawlessness, Unbelief, and Idolatry
[0:21:59] Five Separations at the Fall and How the Cross Reverses Them
[0:39:49] Our Response: Repentance, Faith, and Sharing the Good News
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

When It’s Trauma: Understanding Trauma & Finding Hope with Darby Strickland

In this episode, Haley and Dustin are joined by counselor and author Darby Strickland to talk about trauma – what it is, how it affects us, and how the church can care well for those who are hurting. 
 
Darby shares her hope story about a season of deep uncertainty after her young son received a serious diagnosis, and how that experience shaped her understanding of trusting God in the unknown. Drawing from her book When It’s Trauma, she helps us understand why painful experiences can leave a lasting impact on our lives and how Scripture gives language for our suffering. 
 
Whether you’re walking through trauma yourself or seeking to help someone who is, this conversation offers biblical insight and encouragement that hope and healing are possible in Christ.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:01:40] Living in the Envelope of the Unknown
[0:10:00] Borrowed Hope: When Others’ Stories Carry You
[0:20:00] Jesus, Trauma, and Honest Lament
[0:28:30] When Hope Hurts and Bitterness Lurks
[0:34:30] Slow Healing, Steady Presence
 
Darby Strickland Resources
Get Darby’s book, When It’s Trauma: https://tinyurl.com/24sr2u3s 
 
Learn more about Darby Strickland and her resources: https://www.darbystrickland.com/ 
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

Why We Hide from God – and How His Grace Sets Us Free (with Megan Fate Marshman)

In this episode, Haley and Dustin sit down with author and speaker Megan Fate Marshman for a deeply honest conversation about hope, grace, and spiritual formation.
 
Megan shares powerful personal stories about finding our identity in Christ, the temptation to hide in shame, and the freedom that comes when we bring our pain, sin, and struggles into the light. Together, we explore why we often want quick relief while God is doing something deeper—forming us to become more like Jesus.
 
If you’ve ever felt weary, restless, disappointed, or stuck hiding parts of your heart, this conversation will remind you that the Holy Spirit is present even in your weakness and that real hope is found in opening your whole life to God’s grace.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more :
[0:02:22] Hope: Noun and Verb
[0:04:20] Loved Before You Swing
[0:08:20] The Coffee-Button Prayer
[0:17:42] From Shame and Hiding to Freedom
[0:24:59] Yes, No, Wait, Grow, Go
 
Megan Fate Marshman Resources :
Get Megan’s book, Relaxed: https://www.meganfate.com/books 
Learn more about Megan Fate Marshman: https://www.meganfate.com/ 
Hope for the Heart resources :
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance on 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 

The Unseen Battle: Spiritual Warfare with Dr. Joel Muddamalle

Author and theologian Dr. Joel Muddamalle joins us to talk about spiritual warfare, trusting God in uncertainty, and the deeper story Scripture tells about the unseen battle. 
 
Joel shares two powerful “hope stories” from his own life—walking through fear when his missionary grandfather was kidnapped overseas and when his young son suffered from seizures—moments that taught him to trust the Lord when life feels out of control. 
 
Drawing from his book The Unseen Battle, Joel offers a clear, biblical overview of spiritual warfare and how the entire story of the Bible points to a loving Father restoring His family. This is an insightful and encouraging conversation about God being our refuge and Christ's victory of dark powers.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more :
[0:03:08] Hope in Crisis: From Kidnapping and Seizures to Dependence on God
[0:07:37] Prayer as Warfare: How Heaven Responds When We Humble Ourselves
[0:13:02] The Bible’s Through Line: A Good Father Reuniting His Family
[0:25:33] Why Scripture Matters: From Ancient Myths to a God Who Comes Near
[0:38:11] The Three Rebellions: Seeing Evil, Division, and Christ’s Cosmic Victory
 
Dr. Joel Muddamalle Resources
Get Joel’s book, The Unseen Battle: https://www.muddamalle.com/theunseenbattle 
 
Learn more about Dr. Joel Muddamalle: https://www.muddamalle.com/ 
 
Connect with Joel on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muddamalle/ 
Check out Joel’s YouTube channel, Humble Theology: https://www.youtube.com/@Muddamalle 
 
Read Joel’s Substack, Humble Theology – https://humbletheology.muddamalle.com/ 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 

How’d I Miss That? Seeing God in the Everyday Moments with Cynthia Yanof

Do you believe that God is at work in the small, ordinary moments of life?
On this episode, we’re joined by author, podcaster, and speaker Cynthia Yanof, whose life and ministry are rooted in seeing God in the daily, often messy moments of life.
From practicing law to stepping into ministry, from foster care and adoption to gas-station confessions revelations, Cynthia shares how God continually meets us in everyday moments and reframes what we call success, failure, and faithfulness. Drawing from her new book How’d I Miss That?, Cynthia invites us to slow down, pay attention, and trust that God is doing far more than we realize.
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:03:45] Wanting the Status Without the Sacrifice[0:06:20] Hope in the Daily Details, Not Just Big Crises[0:08:40] Platform vs. Pump: God in the “Small” Moments[0:11:50] Parenting in a Culture Obsessed with Measurables
Cynthia Yanof Resources
Get Cynthia’s book, How’d I Miss That? https://tinyurl.com/43ecbjx4 
 
Learn more Cynthia Yanof: https://cynthiayanof.com/
 
Connect with Cynthia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cynthiayanof/?hl=en 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 

Vulnerability, Hope & the Beauty of Christ with Steve Midgley

In this episode, Haley and Dustin are joined by Dr. Steve Midgley, author of Understanding Trauma and Executive Director of Biblical Counselling UK.
 
Steve shares two powerful stories of hope—from coming to faith in Christ after years of skepticism in medical school and learning vulnerability during a difficult season of caring for his special needs daughter. We explore how God meets us in our weakness and brings growth through seasons of hardship. We also reflect on the mental health crisis of our day, the opportunity for biblical counseling, and how Jesus Himself entered into suffering and trauma. 
 
It's an insightful and encouraging conversation on the beauty of Jesus, and how we understand our weakness, and gives us hope in it.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more :
[0:10:00] How Biblical Counseling Gripped Steve’s Soul
[0:15:00] Weak Pastors, Strong God: Vulnerability as True Spiritual Leadership
[0:20:00] Why Churches Need Distinctly Biblical Care
[0:30:00] How the Cross Reframes Trauma and Suffering
[0:38:09] Moving from Functional Prayers to Adoration
Steve Midgley Resources
Get Steve’s book, Understanding Trauma: An Introduction to Church Care: https://tinyurl.com/mvymbekr 
 
Learn more about Biblical Counselling UK: https://www.biblicalcounselingcoalition.org/ 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance on 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 
 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Job 1:8 – Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
 
Psalm 27:4 – “One thing I ask from the LORD, this only do I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze on the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple.”
 
2 Corinthians 12:9 – “But he said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’ Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.”

6 Keys to Healing, Growth & Freedom

We all want to change, be healed, and experience freedom … but how does that actually happen? No matter what struggle you're facing, the process of transformation often follows a similar path.
 
In this episode, we share six biblical concepts that go deeper than behavior and reach the heart. We begin with the foundation—the gospel of Jesus Christ—then explore seeing yourself through God’s eyes (identity), replacing lies with truth (beliefs), understanding the heart needs that drive behavior (desires and motivations), dealing with past pain through forgiveness and freedom from guilt and shame, and finally moving forward with hope by putting God’s Word into practice daily.
 
If you're looking to grow in your walk with the Lord, this episode offers practical steps for lasting change.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:00:00] Change Begins with a New Purpose in Christ, Not Sheer Willpower
[0:00:36] Six Biblical Keys: From Identity and Lies to Needs, Past, and Hopeful Action
[0:05:00] Don’t Camp in Your Past—Touch It, Then Run Toward Hope
[0:10:00] Real Transformation Comes from Fixing Your Eyes on Jesus, Not Your Sin
[0:15:00] Saved but Stuck: Moving from Bare Salvation to Full-Life Lordship and Joy
Hope for the Heart resources
Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance  100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook
Other Hope for the Heart Resources
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON 
 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
2 Corinthians 5:15 – “He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.” 
 
Proverbs 4:23 – “Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it”
 
Philippians 4:9 – “Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.” 
 
James 1:22 – “Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.”