Hope Talks

Why do certain hurts from the past keep showing up in the present?
Today we're revisiting one of our most impactful conversations with Marcus Warner, president of Deeper Walk International and author of Understanding the Wounded Heart.
Recorded at our 2025 Hope Together Conference, Marcus shares his personal journey through anxiety, ministry burnout, and emotional healing—and how God revealed wounds from his past that still needed attention.
Together, Haley and Dustin explore how unresolved pain affects our relationships, emotions, and spiritual lives. They discuss why healing is often deeper than we realize, and how prayer can become a powerful pathway to freedom. Marcus also shares his practical R.E.A.L. prayer model, a simple framework for inviting God into painful memories and finding lasting healing.
If you've ever wondered why old wounds still affect you today, or you've found yourself thinking, "I thought I was over that," this conversation will help you take a meaningful step toward healing, restoration, and a deeper walk with God.
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Listen in to learn more 
 
Marcus Warner / Deeper Walk Resources 
 
Learn more about Deeper Walk International, Marcus Warner’s ministry, podcast, and books – www.deeperwalk.com  
 
Get the book, Understanding the Wounded Heart – https://deeperwalk.com/product/understanding-the-wounded-heart-book/ 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Join us this fall at the Hope Together Conference! Learn more and sign up here: https://hopetogether.com/ 
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks

What do you do when your faith feels strong on the outside but you're falling apart on the inside?
Today we're revisiting one of our most meaningful conversations with author, speaker, and Bible teacher Sheila Walsh.
In this deeply personal episode, Haley and Dustin talk with Sheila about depression, childhood trauma, mental health, and the life-changing hope found in Jesus Christ.
Sheila shares her powerful story of growing up with deep emotional wounds, pursuing perfection in an effort to earn God's approval, and eventually finding herself in a psychiatric hospital with severe clinical depression. But it was there—in one of the darkest seasons of her life—that she began to discover God's grace, His presence, and the truth that the Good Shepherd knows exactly where to find us.
Together they explore prayer, suffering, healing, and what it means to trust God when life doesn't make sense. If you've ever struggled with depression, discouragement, or wondered where God is in your pain, this conversation is a powerful reminder that the Good Shepherd knows exactly where to find you—and that you are never beyond the reach of His love.
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
 
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Resources from Sheila Walsh
Learn more about Sheila Walsh and her ministry at https://sheilawalsh.com/ 
Connect with Sheila on social media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sheilawalsh1/?hl=en
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sheilawalshconnects/
X / Twitter: https://x.com/sheilawalsh 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Join us this fall at the Hope Together Conference! Learn more and sign up here: https://hopetogether.com/ 
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Psalm 139:16 – “You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed.”
 
Psalm 141:2 – “May my prayer be set before you like incense; may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.”
 
Mark 8 :22-25 – “They came to Bethsaida, and some people brought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him. He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, “Do you see anything?” He looked up and said, “I see people; they look like trees walking around.” Once more Jesus put his hands on the man’s eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.”
 
John 10:10 – “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.”
 
Galatians 5:1 – “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
 
Revelation 5:8 – “And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.”

"You are loved. Deal with it."
 
That's how Olympic gold medalist Scott Hamilton summarizes the gospel.
 
After a lifetime of chasing excellence, standing on podiums, battling cancer, enduring loss, and navigating unimaginable challenges, Scott discovered a truth far greater than any medal or accomplishment: his worth was never found in what he achieved, but in being loved by God.
 
In this conversation, Scott shares his remarkable journey—from childhood illness and adoption to Olympic glory, cancer diagnoses, and a deeper relationship with Jesus Christ. He reflects on the dangers of building your identity around success, the role of prayer in life's hardest moments, and why God's grace means more than any trophy, title, or achievement.
 
Whether you're facing a setback, carrying a burden, or wondering what truly matters in life, Scott's story is a powerful reminder that hope is found not in what you accomplish, but in the God who loves you. And when life knocks you down—as it inevitably will—His grace gives you the strength to get back up.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Scott Hamilton Resources
 
Learn more about Scott Hamilton: https://scotthamilton.com/ 
 
Learn more about the Scott Hamilton CARES Foundation: https://www.scottcares.org/
 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Join us this fall at the Hope Together Conference! Learn more and sign up here: https://hopetogether.com/ 
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
1 Corinthians 9:25 — "Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it for a crown that will not last. But we do it for a crown that will last forever."

Are you stressed out and wondering how to find peace in your daily life?
 
Stress has become the background noise of modern life. Between endless responsibilities, constant notifications, information overload, and busy schedules, many of us feel overwhelmed and don't know how to slow down.
 
In this episode, Haley and Dustin explore what stress really is, the difference between healthy and unhealthy stress, and why we all respond to pressure differently. They discuss five common stress responses: the Controller, Performer, Caretaker, Avoider, and Catastrophizer, and how these patterns reveal what's happening beneath the surface. 
 
You'll also learn practical ways to manage stress, develop healthy rhythms of rest, and trust God when life feels like too much.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Learn more about Hope for the Heart’s international ministry: https://hopefortheheart.org/international
 
To support our international ministry, text the word NATIONS to 70919.
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Matthew 5:45: "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

As America marks its 250th anniversary, there's no better time to ask: what has kept this nation standing? Elizabeth Carlyle's answer is simple — prayer.
 
Elizabeth learned that at age eleven, when her father suffered a heart attack and was rushed away in an ambulance. She rode her bike to the end of the street, watched it go by, and prayed. He survived. And fifty years later, she still prays every time she hears a siren. That moment became the foundation of a life built on the belief that prayer isn't a last resort — it's the first and most powerful thing you can do.
 
Elizabeth is an author, attorney, and Bible study teacher, and the CEO of First Freedom Art Company — the stewards of Arnold Freeberg's famous painting of George Washington, Prayer at Valley Forge. It's also the cover of her book Americans Who Pray: Uniting a Nation in Faith and Freedom, released in honor of America's 250th anniversary. 
 
In this conversation, she shares the stories behind gathering prayers from founding fathers, presidents, and current leaders — including Ben Carson, Tim Tebow, and June Hunt — and what she learned about prayer along the way.
 
This is an encouraging conversation on the importance of prayer in the Christian life and in the history of our country as we celebrate America's 250th anniversary.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Elizabeth Carlyle Resources
 
Get Elizabeth’s book, Americans Who Pray: https://tinyurl.com/2889mtdz
 
Learn more about Elizabeth Carlyle & First Freedom Art: https://www.firstfreedomart.com/ 
 
Hope for the Heart resources
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Philippians 4:6: "Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God."
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Matthew 6:9: "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.”

What would your life look like if you stopped striving to earn approval? If you didn't wrestle with guilt or shame? If you truly understood God's grace?
 
For most of us, that feels more like a dream than a reality—because grace is one of the most common words in Christianity and also one of the most misunderstood. We know we're saved by grace, yet we still live with performance, shame, striving, perfectionism, and self-reliance. We understand grace in theory but struggle to receive it in practice.
 
In this episode, Haley and Dustin explore what God's grace really is, why we need it, and the many ways it shows up across every dimension of life. They discuss common misconceptions about grace, the barriers that keep us from receiving it, and practical steps for learning to live from God's grace instead of constantly striving for approval.
 
Peter's call to "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 3:18) isn't just an instruction—it's an invitation to a different way of living.
 
If you're exhausted by striving, weighed down by shame, or stuck in perfectionism, this conversation is for you.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Learn more about Hope for the Heart’s international ministry: https://hopefortheheart.org/international
 
To support our international ministry, text the word NATIONS to 70919.
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Matthew 5:45: "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
Psalm 103:14: "For he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust."
Acts 17:25: "He is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else."
1 Timothy 6:17: "God richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment."
Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
Titus 2:11-12: "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say 'No' to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."
2 Corinthians 12:9: "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
Galatians 1:15: "God, who set me apart from my mother's womb and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles."
1 Corinthians 15:10: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me."
1 Peter 1:13: "Set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:6: "Being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."
2 Peter 3:18: "Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Have you ever felt like your relationship with God isn't quite what it's "supposed" to look like?
 
In this conversation, Haley and Dustin sit down with Hosanna Wong — international speaker, spoken word artist, and best-selling author — to talk about what it looks like to stop overcomplicating your faith and actually enjoy God for real.
 
Hosanna shares her remarkable story: growing up in outdoor church on the streets of San Francisco, losing her dad to cancer at 18, and finding her voice as she traveled the country for four and a half years with no home base — discovering the church, and herself, along the way.
 
She also digs into her latest book, Uncomplicated, sharing the six roadblocks that keep us from connecting with God and seven unique worship personalities (she calls them "praise-onalities") that might just explain why your faith doesn't look like everyone else's — and why that's actually a good thing.
 
If you feel stuck in your relationship with God or find yourself comparing your faith to others, this episode is for you.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
Hosanna Wong Resources
 
Get Hosanna’s book, Uncomplicate It: Permission to Enjoy God in Your Unique Way: https://www.hosannawong.com/uncomplicate-it 
 
Learn more about Hosanna Wong: https://www.hosannawong.com/ 
Hope for the Heart resources
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Romans 8:28 – "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." 
Psalm 107:2 – "Let the redeemed of the Lord tell their story — those he redeemed from the hand of the foe."
John 15:5 – "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."

What do you do when life starts to feel like it's spiraling out of control and you can't figure out why?
 
In this conversation, Haley and Dustin sit down with Levi Lusko, pastor, best-selling author, and founder of Fresh Life Church to talk honestly about grief, loss, and the unexpected season of crisis that led to his newest book, Blessed Are the Spiraling.
 
Levi shares the devastating loss of his five-year-old daughter, the long reach of grief, and how he found hope in the midst of unimaginable pain. He also opens up about the 18-month personal spiral he walked through in midlife :  panic attacks, identity questions, and the long road back to himself and Jesus.
 
This conversation will encourage you and challenge you to see your hardest seasons differently. Your most difficult season might just be where God is doing his deepest work.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
[0:01:40] Hope as an Anchor in Suffering
[0:02:31] Losing a Child and Facing Unimaginable Grief
[0:04:32] Hurting with Hope Still Hurts
[0:05:00] Jesus’ Grief as a Model for Deep Emotion
[0:05:40] Choosing Healing over Numbing and Distraction
[0:07:16] Beauty from Ashes and Time-Traveling Grief
[0:08:20] Healing as Connection, Not Betrayal, to Loved Ones
Levi Lusko Resources
 
Get Levi’s book, Blessed are the Spiraling: https://levilusko.com/blessed-are-the-spiraling 
 
Learn more about Levi Lusko: https://levilusko.com/ 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Join us at Called to Care on Saturday, June 13! Learn more about the event here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/called-to-care 
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Hebrews 6:19 – "We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain."
John 11:35 – "Jesus wept."
Philippians 2:27 – "Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow." 
Matthew 5:3-4 – "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted." 
Psalm 34:18 – "The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit."
Genesis 28:16 – "When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, 'Surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it.'"
Isaiah 53:5-6 – "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities... and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 46:4 – "Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you." 
John 6:68 – "Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.'"
Jeremiah 12:5 – "If you have raced with men on foot and they have worn you out, how can you compete with horses?"
Hebrews 11:37-38 – "They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated — the world was not worthy of them."
Psalm 19:1 – "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

In this special episode, Haley and Dustin discuss God’s heart for the nations and Hope for the Heart’s international ministry. From biblical foundations for missions to powerful stories of transformation from around the world, this conversation explores how God is bringing hope to people across cultures, languages, and circumstances. 
 
Haley shares how she was called into international ministry, what she has witnessed over the past decade in more than 25 countries, and how Hope for the Heart is reaching people around the world with God's truth. 
 
They share stories from Hope for the Heart's international partners and how you can get involved to spread the hope of Christ around the world. 
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Learn more about Hope for the Heart’s international ministry: https://hopefortheheart.org/international
 
To support our international ministry, text the word NATIONS to 70919.
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/ 
 
Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night  
 
God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you   
 
Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://hopefortheheart.donorsupport.co/page/hope-talks 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Genesis 12:3 – “All peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
 
Deuteronomy 8:16 – “He gave you manna to eat in the wilderness, something your ancestors had never known, to humble and test you so that in the end it might go well with you.”
 
Psalm 22:27 – ““All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him.”
 
Psalm 65:5 - “You answer us with awesome and righteous deeds, God our Savior, the hope of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest seas”
 
Psalm 96:3 - “Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous deeds among all peoples.”
 
Matthew 12:21 – “In his name, the nations will put their hope”
 
Matthew 28:19 – “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
 
2 Timothy 4:2 – “Preach the Word … whether convenient or not; rebuke, correct, and encourage with great patience and teaching.”
 
Revelation 7:9 – After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 

What if the Christian life isn’t about achieving – but receiving? 
 
In this episode, Dr. Libin Abraham, lead pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, shares how discovering grace transformed his faith from burnout to freedom. Instead of striving to earn identity, he learned to rest in what God had already done. 
 
Together, we explore the difference between a “rowboat” life powered by effort and a “sailboat” life moved by the Spirit. Libin also unpacks how humility opens the door to grace, how eternal hope reshapes daily living, and why care is central to discipleship. 
 
If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to be enough, this conversation invites you to experience the freedom, power, and hope found in God’s grace.
 
Dr. Libin is also a featured speaker at our upcoming Called to Care event – see link below to learn more and sign up.
 
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
 
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
everything.
 
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
 
Listen in to learn more 
0:41 – Meet Pastor Libin & Called to Care1:30 – Burned Out on Religion2:40 – Discovering the Power of Grace5:02 – Achieving vs. Receiving7:20 – From Pharisee Heart to Grace8:40 – Rowboat vs. Sailboat Faith10:00 – Humility: Doorway to Grace11:43 – Why We Bristle at Grace14:22 – Living a Grace-Powered Life14:50 – Leaning Into Eternal Hope15:00 – Eternity and Everyday Impact19:30 – Obsession With Our True Home22:10 – Reversing the Curse With Christ
Dr. Libin Abraham / Bent Tree Church Resources
 
Learn more about Bent Tree Bible Fellowship and view Dr. Abraham’s messages: https://benttree.org/ 
Hope for the Heart resources
 
Join us at Called to Care on Saturday, June 13! Learn more about the event here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/called-to-care 
 
Connect with Hope for the Heart on social! 
 
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart 
 
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ 
 
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
John 15:5 - “Apart from Me you can do nothing.”
John 13:8 - “Unless I wash you, you have no part with Me.”
Isaiah 6:1 - “I saw the Lord high and exalted…”
Psalm 39:4 - “Lord, make me aware of my end and the number of my days…”
Ecclesiastes 7:2 - “It is better to go to a house of mourning than to a house of feasting…”
Acts 2:44-45 - “All the believers were together and had everything in common…”
Ezekiel 34:11 - “I Myself will search for My flock and look for them.”
Isaiah 55:2-3 - “Why spend money on what is not bread… Listen to Me, and eat what is good…”
Psalm 23:4 - “Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death…”
1 Peter 5:7 - “Cast all your anxiety on Him because He cares for you.”